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RE: Lore -- Preview - Mattias Westlund - 06-08-2018
Sneak preview of Whispers on the Wind now up on Soundcloud.
RE: Lore -- Preview - Samulis - 06-08-2018
(06-08-2018, 03:41 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote: Sneak preview of Whispers on the Wind now up on Soundcloud.
Sounds fantastic! Really great woodwinds programming.
RE: Lore -- Preview - Mattias Westlund - 06-08-2018
(06-08-2018, 07:24 PM)Samulis Wrote: Sounds fantastic! Really great woodwinds programming.
Wow, thanks Sam! I wasn't expecting that, in fact I think that solo flute leaves a lot of things to be desired but I kept it in because I like its overall sound. Woodwinds are sadly underused in today's VO's though, and I can't understand why. While I've never been good at arranging chordal parts for woodwinds (I always end up with an organ type of sound), if I feel that a part needs a solo instrument, I find myself reaching for a woodwind 95% of the time. They just have so much more character than both strings and brass instruments.
RE: Lore -- Preview - Samulis - 06-08-2018
(06-08-2018, 09:25 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote:(06-08-2018, 07:24 PM)Samulis Wrote: Sounds fantastic! Really great woodwinds programming.
Wow, thanks Sam! I wasn't expecting that, in fact I think that solo flute leaves a lot of things to be desired but I kept it in because I like its overall sound. Woodwinds are sadly underused in today's VO's though, and I can't understand why. While I've never been good at arranging chordal parts for woodwinds (I always end up with an organ type of sound), if I feel that a part needs a solo instrument, I find myself reaching for a woodwind 95% of the time. They just have so much more character than both strings and brass instruments.
Not to derail the topic, but I was goofing around with the VSCO 2 flute the other day with a breath controller and got some really nice results just using a filter and mapping the breath to control it-
https://instaud.io/private/193ea5b007b64d2ce2980718d7cce4edda8ca906
In retrospect, the filter may be a little too aggressive, but it really responds nicely with the breath. I tried a few other instruments that used dynamic crossfading, but it actually didn't work as well as just sticking a filter and some volume modulation did. Instruments sampled just at a comfortable forte dynamic with one dynamic layer seemed to work particularly well, although I did have fun with some brass and such.
Interesting how the oldest solutions often seem to be the most resilient in the long-run- samplers have been using filters for dynamics since the beginning!
BTW- I tried it using some proper true legato string patches from Spitfire, but it really did not work well at all. Spitfire tends to sample things more on the quiet side for part of it, but the transitions were all screwy because the instrument does have some transition data (e.g. a few passing notes that get triggered very quickly when playing) that seemed to throw the true legato system off. It felt much, much better on plain ol' SIPS/WIPS legato by comparison! On the other hand, those spitfire strings feel great on the piano, while the WIPS/SIPS stuff doesn't quite feel as good on piano... interesting to see the strengths of the technologies so clearly.
RE: Lore -- Preview - Paul Battersby - 06-09-2018
I like the combination of instruments. It's a beautiful melody and one of the first things I noticed was the expressiveness of everything. Very nice.
On an unrelated topic, I only just noticed this, but why place a 3000px x 3000px image in your first post only to have it reduced to 512px x 512px when displayed? It's large enough that I can sit back and watch the image as it loads. :O
RE: Lore -- Preview - Mattias Westlund - 06-10-2018
(06-08-2018, 10:11 PM)Samulis Wrote: Not to derail the topic, but I was goofing around with the VSCO 2 flute the other day with a breath controller and got some really nice results just using a filter and mapping the breath to control it-
https://instaud.io/private/193ea5b007b64d2ce2980718d7cce4edda8ca906
That does indeed sound great!
(06-08-2018, 10:11 PM)Samulis Wrote: Interesting how the oldest solutions often seem to be the most resilient in the long-run- samplers have been using filters for dynamics since the beginning!
Indeed, and it goes to show that clever sampler programming is becoming something of a lost art. As you say the filter may be a tad too agressive in this case -- the softer notes are a little bit too wooly -- but it sounds relatively convincing as is and with some tweaks it would be perfectly acceptable.
Speaking of breath controllers, how much does something like that set you back these days? My big master keyboard has a BC input and I remember considering getting one years ago, but they seemed really expensive at the time.
(06-09-2018, 01:19 AM)Paul Battersby Wrote: I like the combination of instruments. It's a beautiful melody and one of the first things I noticed was the expressiveness of everything. Very nice.
Thanks Paul!
(06-09-2018, 01:19 AM)Paul Battersby Wrote: On an unrelated topic, I only just noticed this, but why place a 3000px x 3000px image in your first post only to have it reduced to 512px x 512px when displayed? It's large enough that I can sit back and watch the image as it loads. :O
Well that is a very good question. The best answer I can provide is that I must have accidentally uploaded the full-size image instead of the 1024x1024 one that sits in the same folder on my hdd
RE: Lore -- Preview - Samulis - 06-10-2018
(06-10-2018, 07:13 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote: Speaking of breath controllers, how much does something like that set you back these days? My big master keyboard has a BC input and I remember considering getting one years ago, but they seemed really expensive at the time.
I got mine (the 'Ecorder') as part of a kickstarter for about $500 (it's a full-fledged digital recorder). I am sure with the ingenuity of Chinese mass production these days you can find some sort of breath controller USB device just for the breath data for a pittance. You might be able to find a breath controller specifically for your keyboard on Ebay now... worth at least looking!
I know the wind controllers from some major companies are still a few hundred dollars at least and are only really useful if you know the fingerings. The reason I got mine is that I know recorder fingerings well enough to get by on it.
RE: Lore -- Preview - Mattias Westlund - 06-10-2018
(06-10-2018, 07:29 PM)Samulis Wrote:(06-10-2018, 07:13 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote: Speaking of breath controllers, how much does something like that set you back these days? My big master keyboard has a BC input and I remember considering getting one years ago, but they seemed really expensive at the time.
I got mine (the 'Ecorder') as part of a kickstarter for about $500 (it's a full-fledged digital recorder). I am sure with the ingenuity of Chinese mass production these days you can find some sort of breath controller USB device just for the breath data for a pittance. You might be able to find a breath controller specifically for your keyboard on Ebay now... worth at least looking!
I know the wind controllers from some major companies are still a few hundred dollars at least and are only really useful if you know the fingerings. The reason I got mine is that I know recorder fingerings well enough to get by on it.
Oh, OK so that's the Ecorder you posted about. I guess wind controllers include a breath controller by their very nature, for some reason I thought you were talking about a "headset with a tube" type of breath controller, which was what I was looking for at the time. Basically a breath-controlled expression "pedal". I don't know if it would make sense for me to get an actual wind controller, as I'm completely unfamiliar with keyed wind instruments.
RE: Lore -- Preview - Samulis - 06-10-2018
(06-10-2018, 08:24 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote:(06-10-2018, 07:29 PM)Samulis Wrote:(06-10-2018, 07:13 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote: Speaking of breath controllers, how much does something like that set you back these days? My big master keyboard has a BC input and I remember considering getting one years ago, but they seemed really expensive at the time.
I got mine (the 'Ecorder') as part of a kickstarter for about $500 (it's a full-fledged digital recorder). I am sure with the ingenuity of Chinese mass production these days you can find some sort of breath controller USB device just for the breath data for a pittance. You might be able to find a breath controller specifically for your keyboard on Ebay now... worth at least looking!
I know the wind controllers from some major companies are still a few hundred dollars at least and are only really useful if you know the fingerings. The reason I got mine is that I know recorder fingerings well enough to get by on it.
Oh, OK so that's the Ecorder you posted about. I guess wind controllers include a breath controller by their very nature, for some reason I thought you were talking about a "headset with a tube" type of breath controller, which was what I was looking for at the time. Basically a breath-controlled expression "pedal". I don't know if it would make sense for me to get an actual wind controller, as I'm completely unfamiliar with keyed wind instruments.
Yeah, I think you can get those breath pedal things pretty cheap. I haven't looked myself, but they're bound to be out there.
I think 'wind controller' (i.e. 'woodwind controller') is the right term for stuff like Ecorders/complete instruments, and 'breath controller' is for just the little breath thing, but I could be wrong.
RE: Lore -- Preview - Mattias Westlund - 06-10-2018
(06-10-2018, 08:29 PM)Samulis Wrote: I think 'wind controller' (i.e. 'woodwind controller') is the right term for stuff like Ecorders/complete instruments, and 'breath controller' is for just the little breath thing, but I could be wrong.
That is indeed correct, but you wrote "breath controller" initially which is what threw me off
