01-04-2021, 06:38 PM
(01-04-2021, 06:15 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote:(01-03-2021, 03:52 PM)Nayrb Wrote: In any case, this example below is just noodling, and the panning is probably way too wide, but it's just kind of a proof of concept sort of thing.
Delay Panned Orchestra Noodling
Wow, yeah! That does sound very big and roomy without being swamped in reverb. Yes, the panning is exaggerated leaving a big hole in the middle, but overdoing it when experimenting is usually the best way to get an idea of how something works. Very nice! When you say, "a very small delay on the opposite channel", do you mean the channel opposite of the direction you're panning the instrument? I.e. delay on the right channel of an instrument that goes to the left?
I'm glad it translated to other ears! I feel like I've made a breakthrough in my applicable skills... Since I have to move away from my rig again (temporarily) in a couple days, I feel like I've achieved something that I can come back to and really get to work on new music with (finally). Yes, the middle is a hole, but what's cool about it is that it feels like I'll actually be able to fill it without making a cluttered mess of things. It seems like the space is finally there; it's the middle of somewhere. I reiterate that the stuff in the middle does not have a time delay on any channel; it's just the stereo balance. I think for smaller pans, that is probably all you need. I did add it to the perc in the back, though, which seems to add depth as well as positioning.
And yes, exactly as you said: the small delay would be in the channel you are panning away from. So there is a small delay in the right channel of the violins and a small delay in the left channel of the trombones. Then I pan with the stereo balance mode by ear. I'm at about 45% on the first violins here. I would say with a delay of 0.66 ms in the timing of one channel and a stereo balance pan at about 40% you are approaching something that sounds very exaggerated. I have no idea what other numbers to use on the time delay yet. It probably depends on the source, too. It seems that something below a millisecond is what you want, though. Otherwise it starts sounding like a delay or a maxed out ER on a reverb. The trick is to keep it below where our ears would really pick up on it. I can't say this with any certainty, but anecdotally, it seems like that 0.66 ms delay amounts to a perception of almost a 10% pan in one direction or another. I kept the number the same just to see how different panning percentages interacted with it.
Haven't had a chance to mess with ITDPanner, but I suspect something akin to the above is what's going on there. The description suggests it combines some kind of timing effect with a stereo balance. I'll see when I get a chance to try it out.