Looped SSO!

[peastman]

Here's a proposal for SSO 2.0:

- Start with SSO 1.0.
- Add all of sig-ex's additions (loops and keyswitch files).
- Add the staccato violas.
- Add the tremolo articulations.
- Add Paul's marcato articulations.

Question for Mattias: you used to have a page with links to all the different SSO additions, but that doesn't seem to exist anymore.  Can you provide links to everything?  I've made just enough changes to my SSO directory that I'd prefer to start by downloading clean copies of everything.

Question for sig-ex: What is the reason for the "looped" versions of the samples?  Could it be made to use the standard files for the looped articulations as well?  I want to include both looped and non-looped versions of the instruments, so I'm trying to figure out whether it's really necessary to add a few hundred MB to the download.

[Paul Battersby]

(03-19-2017, 04:21 PM)peastman Wrote: Question for Mattias: you used to have a page with links to all the different SSO additions, but that doesn't seem to exist anymore.  Can you provide links to everything?

I can answer that one.

http://scoringcentral.mattiaswestlund.ne...154#pid154

The link comes from the Sonatina Symphonic Orchestra topic on this forum. Make sure Mattias grants permission first though. When they first came out, they were released for testing purposes only. I asked for and was granted permission to use them, so I'd imagine it's ok for anyone but, double check to be sure.

[kneedeep]

I massively prefer the original SSO brass to the ones in VPO. They just sound more natural. Then again, Paul has said he would fix them, so maybe...

Tremolo violins/violas would be really nice. Vibraphone and celeste or harpsichord would be awesome.

The patches that would most benefit from looping IMHO would be things like solo oboe and bassoon. The notes are very short.

The choir in SSO is limited, you can't do different syllables (you can sort of fake them with a formant filter plugin though) but it sounds OK for staccato notes (huh-ha kind of stuff). Just of course nowhere near the abilities of a real choir. But it's understandable that a fully featured choir is quite difficult to record and make available as a free patch set. It's one of the things I would expect to pay for. For very good reasons.

[Samulis]

Hmm... I might be able to sample a basic harpsichord that happens to be living in my apartment at the moment until the owner wants it back... maybe I can put that up for free. I have some time off this week, spring break.

Soni Musica (sp?) I think put out some good harpsichord libraries, I don't know if they're [CC] or what, but I think BC might have converted them.

[kneedeep]

If you sample it, I will compose something with it and put it up. :-) I currently use a GM harpsichord.

Thanks for the tip about Sonimusicae, that looks very good, I'll check it out.

[Mattias Westlund]

Re: choral stuff. Years ago I got permission from Mihai Sorohan to include his vowel choir samples in a future update of SSO. No updates happened of course, and I (or someone who decides to tackle this) might need to get back in touch with him to make sure we still have his permission. But if so, I have a bunch of vowel choral samples, slightly doctored with CloneEnsemble to make them sound bigger, with the same old baked SSO ambience.

As for the brass, I wasn't suggesting that we remove the old versions.

[sig-ex]

Great ideas!

I hope there's a way to make minor updates ala "github" while there's a main release version that's always ready to use. But perhaps zip files containing new scripts and samples (that can possibly overwrite the old ones) with some minor version numbers, date and changelog notes can do for now. Some samples might also benefit from a noise removal tool (iZotope?). Would be interesting to see if cumulative minor updates, can eventually lead to something big.

@peastman
The reason for the separate "looped" version is that they are modified compared to the original unlooped samples. I also think that the un-looped samples still have to be there (actually one of the key switches, "Sustain (normal)" appearing in sforzando) as they might be better in some use cases. This actually makes me wonder whether some tricks can be used to save those hundreds of added megabytes... There's also an added appeal to the relatively compact size of SSO.

@Mattias (or anyone who can answer)
Would also like to see a download page for the SSO additional articulations. 

[Mattias Westlund]

(03-19-2017, 10:25 PM)sig-ex Wrote: @Mattias (or anyone who can answer)
Would also like to see a download page for the SSO additional articulations. 

http://mattiaswestlund.net/samples/

This is as good as it's going to get within the foreseeable future because a lot of that is outtakes and sort of unofficial and I really can't be bothered creating a proper download page for it all.

[peastman]

Quote:I hope there's a way to make minor updates ala "github" while there's a main release version that's always ready to use.

Good idea.  I can make a github repo for it, if everyone agrees that's a good way to coordinate it.

Quote:I have a bunch of vowel choral samples

Oooo...

[peastman]

Ok, I've created a github repository and checked in SSO 1.0:

https://github.com/peastman/sso

Next step is to start adding in the new instruments.  Hopefully this will be a good way to coordinate everything.

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Question for Mattias about the license.  In the SSO 1.0 download, you specify the CC Sampling Plus 1.0 license.  But for all the additions, you specify CC Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 license.  My reading of the latter is that if you use these samples to make a piece of music, that music must itself be released under the same license.  I'm pretty sure that isn't what you intended.

Can we pick a single license for everything?  Of the non-retired licenses, I'd think CC Attribution is the most appropriate for this.