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Pianos, Sustains & Release Samples - bigcat1969 - 09-03-2018
I'm thinking of writing a novel with this title... but in the mean time do releases sound the same for non-sustain notes and sustain notes? Do sustain notes even need release samples? I might have known this once but if I did I've long forgotten. Also it is CC64 0-63 for non-sustain and 64-127 for sustain right? Have I ever done this before or was it all a bad dream, I can't remember.
I'm thinking of being less lazy and working on a Maize VSTi version of Sam's Steinway.
I already attempted the VSCO Kiowa as the cleverly named K Piano. Anyone have time to test it? Its on my new thrilling new site colored in black and white with a touch of blue and that new decorative style, white space.
https://freedigitalinstruments.wordpress.com/bcil-keyboards/
RE: Pianos, Sustains & Release Samples - Samulis - 09-04-2018
Non-sustain notes release when the key is released.
Sustain notes release when the pedal is released*.
So, already, no.
The sustain notes do have a release sound on the pedal release which is more 'dramatic' than the non-sustain when the key is simply released (after all, ALL the dampers are coming down on ALL the strings together every time the pedal is released).
The simplest method is to include the pedal sounds (basically a dull thud) whenever the pedal is pressed or released. This will not only help with the realism, but cover up the releases so it's harder to hear if they're 'wrong'.
More complex would be to have actual sampled releases of the sustain pedal for each note. This means more samples, more space, and more logic in the instrument.
Your CC ranges make sense. I think technically it is a binary switch of either 0 OR 127, but having that range is probably for the better.
* Technically there is also a release when the key is released, a small noise of the mechanism, but this is mostly inaudible as far as I know.
RE: Pianos, Sustains & Release Samples - bigcat1969 - 09-04-2018
Thanks Sam. You know me I barely know how to do reverb and regular release samples in Maize. (Oh why can't everyone be issued Kontakt at birth!) Anyway the Steinway sounds nice and doing it in Maize makes me appreciate every other sampler. Click and drag Cv4 one to the left, click and drag Cv3 one to the left, click and drag Cv2 one to the left, click and drag Dv4 one to the left..... auurggh!
I've seen pianos with key release samples, I'm thinking of doing one with samples of a pianist wiggling on the bench in cotton, denim, wool and silk also body sounds with an option for having eaten beans before the concert! ;P
RE: Pianos, Sustains & Release Samples - peastman - 09-04-2018
Be sure to include a Glenn Gould articulation that includes samples of the pianist humming along with the music.
RE: Pianos, Sustains & Release Samples - Michael Willis - 09-05-2018
(09-04-2018, 04:16 PM)bigcat1969 Wrote: I'm thinking of doing one with samples of a pianist wiggling on the bench in cotton, denim, wool and silk
I tried recording myself playing an upright piano this week, I was surprised at how much the stereo mic system picked up the creaking seat, jangling pedal mechanism, banging hammers, ticking clock, and chirping crickets outside. If I had hit the record button at a different time it would have also captured a little boy one room over yelling "DAD, CAN YOU STOP PLAYING THE PIANO? I'M TRYING TO SLEEP."
RE: Pianos, Sustains & Release Samples - Samulis - 09-05-2018
(09-05-2018, 12:19 AM)Michael Willis Wrote:(09-04-2018, 04:16 PM)bigcat1969 Wrote: I'm thinking of doing one with samples of a pianist wiggling on the bench in cotton, denim, wool and silk
I tried recording myself playing an upright piano this week, I was surprised at how much the stereo mic system picked up the creaking seat, jangling pedal mechanism, banging hammers, ticking clock, and chirping crickets outside. If I had hit the record button at a different time it would have also captured a little boy one room over yelling "DAD, CAN YOU STOP PLAYING THE PIANO? I'M TRYING TO SLEEP."
It's almost like... amplified mics have more sensitive hearing than humans...
There's nothing worse in sampling than touching a pair of denim pants... aside from maybe one of those crinkly jackets. Worst case, if the recordings have too much background noise, you could always upload to youtube as an ASMR video and get a million views.
