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Ravnir's Saga [alpha state] - Mattias Westlund - 07-05-2017 OK, I guess it's hubris of the highest order posting this here at this early stage, but like I said when I first posted about Waters of Redemption... bear with me. I've been pondering a sequel to WoR for months now (in fact, I think I got the idea shortly after WoR was released) but I just keep dragging my feet and procrastinating so I might as well go public with what I have so far. Who knows, some feedback might actually be what I need to get going already. First of all: the sequel, from a timeline perspective, is actually going to be a prequel. It takes place some 300 years prior to the events in WoR so no, apart from a few locations (well, just Brenland really) there is no relation between the two storylines. As you might have gleaned from the title, this one draws a lot of inspiration from Norse mythology. WoR had the whole Middle-Eastern The Mummy/Prince of Persia type of thing going on. Ravnir's Saga will be more along the lines of Conan the Barbarian meets Scandinavian traditional music, with a slight Asian vibe thrown in (the reasons why will become clear, read on). And oh, there's ice dragons! At least one. And dwarves. There is definitely going to be dwarves in Ravnir's Saga, though at this point I have no idea what dwarven music sounds like. Now, before I go any further, let me present you with the first (!) ten chapters of the storyline so you know what's going on. (I guess this is where the majority of people stop reading.) Quote:1. The Scourge of Brenland Aaaand... yeah. I'm planning around 15 to 20 more chapters in addition to that. A lot of names (like Steindal, sheesh) are still just stuff from the top of my head. Still with me? Wow. Great. Now, since this is posted in User Music I guess you're expecting music and not wannabe epic fantasy writer type of stuff. Uuuuh... OK. Well, I do have Glory of Khai, which is definitley the most complete piece of music written in relation to the project. Sadly it isn't supposed to be used as is, it was only for exploring Thunni's Asian-inspired theme. Then I have this VERY rough rendition of the Ulvheim theme, tossed together when I was experimenting with VSCO2CE and other freebies. It didn't take me long to realize that this is too small-sounding for the music this project needs, but you probably get the general idea of the theme itself (in fact, The Scourge of Brenland will probably begin something like this). Finally there is Far Away, which is meant to be a poppy end credits type of song with vocals, along the lines of Into the West and other LotR/The Hobbit stuff. Getting ahead of myself? Me? I have no idea what you're talking about. Anyway. This is what I have so far. Not really sure where to go next. Nay or yay? Any thoughts are welcome. RE: Ravnir's Saga [alpha state] - Michael Willis - 07-05-2017 (07-05-2017, 08:23 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote: I have no idea what dwarven music sounds like. When in doubt, spend a lot of time listening to faux celtic soundtracks and use that as reference material. ... All fooling aside, I'm really looking forward to watching this take shape; there was something strangely satisfying about getting the in-progress updates while you were composing Waters of Redemption. For what it's worth, there seems to be very little connection between the two suites, so I'm wondering why this is being labelled a "prequel"? My guess is that you have become attached to this fantasy world of your own creation and want to further develop its history, rather than any tie-in between the two stories. RE: Ravnir's Saga [alpha state] - Mattias Westlund - 07-05-2017 (07-05-2017, 09:31 PM)Michael Willis Wrote: For what it's worth, there seems to be very little connection between the two suites, so I'm wondering why this is being labelled a "prequel"? My guess is that you have become attached to this fantasy world of your own creation and want to further develop its history, rather than any tie-in between the two stories. Well, yes, that's basically it. I want to delve deeper into the fantasy world of WoR. The Brenland described in WoR is a powerful seafaring nation with imperialistic ambitions (hi, England), which is why Tyrin and his family are inhabitants of a colony far to the north. But same as England and France were once at the mercy of more powerful seafaring nations (hi, Norse tribes), I wanted to go back to a piece of history when Ulvheim was forged. The war described in Ravnir's Saga taught the Ulvar to use cavalry, pikes and whatnot, thanks to Thunni. When the Ulvar tried conquering Brenland (or the assortment of minor kingdoms present there, before king Bren) that laid the foundation for the Arthurian feudal state that I think of as Brenland. I wish I could explain this as clearly as I see it in my head... Edit: Better way to put it. Brenland -- my fictional hybrid of France/England -- got their mounted, lance-wielding knights and fancy armor from Ulvheim, when the Northern barbarians tried conquering them. Ulvheim on the other hand got beaten by Brenland at their own game and collapsed onto itself due to civil war (pig-headed northerners, as mentioned). By the time the Ulvar got back on track as superior ship-builders and weaponsmiths, the race was lost. Brenland was and remained the dominant nation. RE: Ravnir's Saga [alpha state] - peastman - 07-06-2017 (07-05-2017, 09:31 PM)Michael Willis Wrote:Because dwarves have Scottish accents? (I don't know why they do, but there it is.)(07-05-2017, 08:23 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote: I have no idea what dwarven music sounds like. RE: Ravnir's Saga [alpha state] - Viktor - 07-06-2017 I like your story so far, I got goosebumps reading it at some points. I think some of the characters have a lot of potential for inner conflict. Bern for example seems be very unconventional in using new military techniques, but is so convinced by traditions, that he goes to a meeting that everyone warns him of. I think telling that he dies must be pretty hard, since everyone knows it's gonna happen but it still has to be interresting. I think Berns intentions are really interresting here, because he just tries to be a fair and good ruler. Ravnir could also have some inner conflicts. One the one hand she seems to have negative assicioations regarding Huldar considering she was always an outsider, but I could imagine she also feels massive guilt fleeing Huldar after her father gets killed. I could imagine seeing her mature trough this after the quick changes that turn her into an adult very quickly could be quite interresting. I liked the Huldar theme, while I think you're right regarding the "size" of the sound, might be too small. If Hulda has a theme I could imagine it would be cool when it has two very distinctive versions from each other, one before and one after the military techniques introduced by Thunni. One more rural sounding like this with deep drums and pedal tons in fifhts and one more militaric sounding. I like the idea of having a poppy outro tune and I liked the song, about how many songs do you want to do in the end of that? Ten chapters already seems like quit a bunch and the story seems to just have started at that point ![]() Anyway, I like what you got so far and good luck. RE: Ravnir's Saga [alpha state] - Mattias Westlund - 07-09-2017 (07-06-2017, 09:31 PM)Viktor Wrote: I like your story so far, I got goosebumps reading it at some points. I think some of the characters have a lot of potential for inner conflict. Bern for example seems be very unconventional in using new military techniques, but is so convinced by traditions, that he goes to a meeting that everyone warns him of. I think telling that he dies must be pretty hard, since everyone knows it's gonna happen but it still has to be interresting. I think Berns intentions are really interresting here, because he just tries to be a fair and good ruler. Thanks Viktor! Well the thing with Bern is that a) he tends to think the best of people, generally, and b) he knows Skold is a die-hard traditionalist so he simply can't imagine that Skold would even dream of violating the ancient rules of surrender. Skold on the other hand is an opportunist. His thinking goes along the lines of "Bern isn't playing by the rules anymore, so why should I?" So, ironically, by adopting new technologies and styles of warfare, the well-meaning jarl Bern sealed his own fate. (07-06-2017, 09:31 PM)Viktor Wrote: Ravnir could also have some inner conflicts. One the one hand she seems to have negative assicioations regarding Huldar considering she was always an outsider, but I could imagine she also feels massive guilt fleeing Huldar after her father gets killed. I could imagine seeing her mature trough this after the quick changes that turn her into an adult very quickly could be quite interresting. Yes, definitely. Ravnir is the runt of the litter and no one really thinks she can accomplish much. No one except Thunni, who sees the strength in her. (07-06-2017, 09:31 PM)Viktor Wrote: I liked the Huldar theme, while I think you're right regarding the "size" of the sound, might be too small. If Hulda has a theme I could imagine it would be cool when it has two very distinctive versions from each other, one before and one after the military techniques introduced by Thunni. One more rural sounding like this with deep drums and pedal tons in fifhts and one more militaric sounding. Great idea about altering musical themes depending on whether it's before/after the technical revolution introduced by Thunni's arrival! That is definitely something to explore, so thanks for the suggestion. Maybe a sort of hybrid between the Ulvheim and Khai themes to show that things have changed, that the influence of this one foreigner has suddenly turned the tides of war and changed the history of Ulvheim forever. BTW, Halda = mountain stronghold of Bern's clan. Ulvheim = the northern kingdom where everything takes place. Just so there's no confusion ![]() (07-06-2017, 09:31 PM)Viktor Wrote: I like the idea of having a poppy outro tune and I liked the song, about how many songs do you want to do in the end of that? Ten chapters already seems like quit a bunch and the story seems to just have started at that point Ravnir's Saga will probably have around 30 tracks. I know it sounds like a lot but WoR has 18 and weighs in on around 50 minutes, the longest track being 6:26 and the shortest only 41 seconds. So a guesstimate for the final product would be around 1.5 hours of music. RE: Ravnir's Saga [alpha state] - Mattias Westlund - 07-09-2017 As for the music of dwarves... dwarves are metalworkers. And what instruments do you make from metal? Well, various blown contraptions mainly. Brass, flutes. And drums like timpani and snare. Maybe some metal-stringed instrument would be fitting as well? I'm not looking to invent completely new instruments for the dwarves obviously, just trying to zone in on what existing stuff could be used to create a nice dwarvish sound. RE: Ravnir's Saga [alpha state] - Michael Willis - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 05:50 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote: ... dwarves are metalworkers. That leads me to think of percussive sounds inspired by the rhythmic pounding of a hammer on heated steel right out of a forge. Of course there is also a certain Tolkien novel with a vivid description of dwavish instruments and music at the beginning. RE: Ravnir's Saga [alpha state] - Mattias Westlund - 07-09-2017 (07-09-2017, 08:59 PM)Michael Willis Wrote: That leads me to think of percussive sounds inspired by the rhythmic pounding of a hammer on heated steel right out of a forge. Yep, me too. And the rhythmic, breathing sound of the bellows. Hmm, maybe bagpipes aren't as far-fetched after all? (07-09-2017, 08:59 PM)Michael Willis Wrote: Of course there is also a certain Tolkien novel with a vivid description of dwavish instruments and music at the beginning. I haven't read any Tolkien for like 15 years or more. What novel would that be? RE: Ravnir's Saga [alpha state] - Michael Willis - 07-10-2017 (07-09-2017, 09:06 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote: I haven't read any Tolkien for like 15 years or more. What novel would that be? The Hobbit: Quote:"Now for some music!" said Thorin. 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