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(11-03-2017, 07:48 PM)Michael Willis Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, what happened to this? No comments for a week? I spent that time practicing the altissimo and upper clarion registers on the clarinet. It's sounding a lot better now, I think I'm just about ready to start sampling it.

I'm working on the video walkthrough of SFZ and sampling in general... it's taking longer than expected. I hope to start the contest officially early next week!
Any rules regarding FLAC samples? Smile
(11-08-2017, 06:35 PM)Otto Halmén Wrote: [ -> ]Any rules regarding FLAC samples? Smile

I don't think SFZ players support FLAC... I believe it's only .wav and .ogg, unless that was expanded upon by Plogue or Cakewalk.
At least sforzando and LinuxSampler support FLAC. Is there a prominent .sfz player that doesn't support FLAC?
(11-08-2017, 10:55 PM)Otto Halmén Wrote: [ -> ]At least sforzando and LinuxSampler support FLAC. Is there a prominent .sfz player that doesn't support FLAC?

The only potentially "prominent" szf player I can think of is rgc:audio's original SFZ Player. And no, I can't think of one single reason why you would want to use that one in this day and age, but considering how hard it is to convince people to let go of their x86 plugs I might as well mention it.
I don't visit here often, but I'm interested for sure.
(11-08-2017, 11:21 PM)Mattias Westlund Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-08-2017, 10:55 PM)Otto Halmén Wrote: [ -> ]At least sforzando and LinuxSampler support FLAC. Is there a prominent .sfz player that doesn't support FLAC?

The only potentially "prominent" szf player I can think of is rgc:audio's original SFZ Player. And no, I can't think of one single reason why you would  want to use that one in this day and age, but considering how hard it is to convince people to let go of their x86 plugs I might as well mention it.

Interesting, I actually was not aware of this! I don't really use FLAC ever (not sure why, just never have), but I think in the spirit of the original contest as being about "resourcefulness of sampling" rather than "resourcefulness of codecs", it'd be best just to stick with .ogg and .wav so tradeoffs are clear.
Try it! FLAC, being designed around fast decoding at the expense of slow encoding, seems to be well-suited for sample libraries. Most samples I've converted shrink to about 50%, which greatly relaxes disk access requirements. Kontakt rolled their own lossless audio format, but I know UVI, sforzando, LinuxSampler, and TX16Wx support FLAC. It's a proven concept. Smile
I asked Makemusic if there was a demo version of GPO5 to see if Aria player worked with Tracktion 6. There’s no demo, but they said Aria player is a free download (answering a question on an older thread on here) and pointed me to some free Aria engine sounds, which had some Garritan percussion samples. They were all in FLAC.
Well that's all fine and good, but again, the point of the contest is to prove what you can do with limited space. If something has benefits but no drawbacks, it turns into "just another hurdle" for folks to go through, thus making the contest more difficult and time consuming (not to mention less fun) to participate in than it already will be, as virtually everyone will batch convert to FLAC if they want to take advantage of that space.

It's sort of like a composition contest where you can only write for one instrument instance, but someone finds an instrument that somehow magically manages to put every orchestral instrument in a single keyboard in a usable way. You'd have to be pretty dumb to not use it, but using it would require downloading some special plugin that basically makes the contest take longer and more effort from everyone, thus lowering the chances of people making it through to completion.

Not to mention, flac doesn't exactly have universal support in the consumer and low-end professional markets, so a lot of end users would have no way of editing, previewing, or working with the sounds without downloading more software, e.g. Audacity and/or VLC. I also don't know how other non-sfz samplers behave with flac, and I know there are at least several that only will work with .wav for one reason or another. By providing .wav (which, for transfer, can compress with .rar to about 50% or even much less), users have a 100% universal format to work with, which is basically the whole point behind SFZ being an open format. I would surmise part of the reason Garritan/MM use Flac and proprietary technology/formats in their libraries is a matter of passive DRM to reduce the ability of customers to edit or steal samples.

EDIT: I know folks here are all pretty tech-savvy, but keep in mind, I've had to explain how to copy and paste files to customers on more than one occasion. Batch converting 50 samples seems easy to us, but I am sure there are many, many musicians out there who wouldn't have the slightest clue where to begin. It's a challenge enough to cut samples for someone who has never done it before, but asking them to then batch convert and then check sizes and retry with different compressions to make things fit, etc. is a lot to ask of people who don't much use computers beyond the "narrow path" between their favorite applications.
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