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(10-04-2017, 12:19 AM)Nayrb Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for that Sam! Very good stuff. I'm still somewhat confused, though. I love to write melodic parts for the harp, but I'm often worried I'm overstepping the bounds of the instrument since I'm pretty ignorant of how it works in reality. Is it correct to assume these limitations are still something to consider when writing melodies and parts that require less speed / are not playing chords?

Honestly my best advice is- find a real harpist and ask them on a case-by-case basis. Different harpists can do different feats. Some specialize in fast pedaling and playing highly complex works. Obviously, if you want to make things comfortable for the musician, don't ask for a bajillion pedal changes and instead be economical in when and how much you have to pedal- a few enharmonic swaps in a line can take it from impossible to simple.

For the technical answer- it depends.

What I do is scan and modify my parts so that the enharmonics and everything is correct (remember, I typically work in notation, so seeing if you have both an Eb and an E in a line requires almost zero effort). These limitations apply always UNTIL it is a "correct" time to change the pedals. Obviously a harpist can technically charge the pedals whenever they want, even while the very note they are adjusting is playing (this is in fact a technique used in some special cases). However, the sound of this is typically less than desirable, especially when writing exposed. For this reason, it's best to think about the harp as "set it and forget it" until you reach a new rest period long enough to make any changes necessary- even resting (or simply greatly reducing content) for half a measure can suffice to swap a pedal or two.

This of course is all much harder to realize in a piano roll where the enharmonics are displayed indistinguishable- what happens when you have a C# vs. a Db may be two entirely different strings and sounds on the harp, but will sound as the same on your piano (and virtually all sample libraries of harp as a result). MIDI simply isn't designed to take enharmonics into proper account with MIDI note data and as a result, without convoluted over-engineering of the instrument's controls.

If it greatly concerns you, some DAWs offer "auto transpose" functions that will automatically adjust the input (e.g. C major/"just the white keys") to fit a certain other scale. You could use this to get a true 7-string-per-octave feel on the instrument. Some virtual harps also let you manually set pedals (e.g. Spitfire harp) if this all worries you too much, but harp pedal changes get complicated fast.

But... at the end of the day we just hit a point of "does it sound good?" and "does it sound right?" If you can answer both of those yes, then sleep tight and don't bother making sure everything is right... until you plan on asking a harpist to play your piece. But- that is what so many harpists are great at doing, helping the composer learn to work with the instrument, not fight against its constraints. Harps have remained semantically unchanged since the first decades of the 1800's, a fact very few instruments can claim (aside from bowed strings obviously). Yes, it is an old and perhaps tricky system, but understanding it well can create great effects.
I think I made a major discovery in Reaper today which could help anyone who is interested in writing glissandi or strums.

Here is how it works:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X2VwVHR...sp=sharing

and here is how to set it up:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lGRAqex...sp=sharing

First catch is that you can only use it for strums that have their notes in order so no 5-string banjos or ukuleles or similar instruments that have lighter bottom strings.

Second catch is that you cannot have a full realistic harp glissando due to the fact that there is no way to get those double notes that occur from the pedal tuners.

Nevertheless, it is a fast and reliable way to write and audit harp parts!

Right now I'm using google drive to post the examples, is there any other post-friendly way to upload them?
There is a harp pedal script in Kontakt. I haven't spent much time with it, though, because there doesn't seem to be a way to make changes via MIDI while you're playing or sequencing. I may be wrong, though; I'll have to have another look. So for the most part I just try to educate myself / keep the mechanics in mind as best I can when I write for the harp.
I've read a few of the suggestions from other members and all are great. One of my favorite library purchases of last year was CineHarps by CineSamples (not the original CineHarp). It's a pretty extensive collection of samples that sound amazing, especially in orchestral and solo contexts. For glissandi, I like to use pedal settings and then "rake" up the keyboard. To get a realistic sound out of it, you do need to keep the velocity down below 70 as anything higher is a more accentuated "plucking" sound which doesn't mimic the more brushing sound a real harpist would do for that type of articulation.

Spitfire Audio did record a multi-sampled "brush" articulation to make fully sequenced glissandi much more realistic. Unfortunately, they haven't updated that library in quite a while and there are some CPU issues with those patches when you trigger multi-voices in quick succession, even if you have a high voice count limit. I feel like most harp libraries will be able to accomplish this well, as long as they were recorded in room where there is a good amount of reflections. I've found really dry harp libraries to not perform as well, even with the best reverb chain added to it. That's just me though. Anyway, I hope this is useful.

Cheers,

Chris
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